and it needs hide holes for raccoons to make their homes, and a touch of magic glow, and a ghost that protects the forest creatures... giant trees so big you could live in them. ect... I can do this all day.

I voted I don't care cause it's not a yes or no question for me. This is difficult one for me, cause on one hand if done properly I could see certain cartoons working out. for instance "An ancient powerful wizard years ago created a powerful book and contained within its pages is one special page that could bring your drawing to life." obviously that's extremely simplified but I could almost see a well done MLP pony slipping through with that. on the other hand I don't see something like goofy or sonic the head hog fitting in at all and would probably actually disrupt the RPing greatly. and even the MLP one could disrupt if someone went all pinkie pie. You probably also wanna take into account that if you allow them with special cases you'll probably haft to do extra work with them to make sure it isn't going to be a problem.

In short I think in special cases they work.

the current OOC area isn't very good. Personally it made me feel like I was in the main area and I got scared and left not wanting to get in trouble, it's also a bit overwhelming. I love Ashtyns boat idea and thinks it's a great change. I just feel more strongly about it being in a skybox of sorts. Like start out on ship in a sky bubble and have a picture of lismore from far away. then when you get on the tp from the boat, it puts on the same exact boat but this one is at the actual lismore. Also as long as I'am here, another Idea I stole was for it to be a bit like the opening for the game Morrowind. You show up on the boat, and then eventually exit the boat and head down into a house of sorts where you are processed for you arrival in Lismore.

Which is what a lot of people do and it is not something we simply can act against or prevent. Sadly said, we can send dozens of notices and only a handful of people may actually notice them. Combine that with the fact that people really don't check the forum anymore it is kind of hard to keep them well informed about our going on's.

*nod nod nods*

Well maybe it's time to change that around and get more people to look at the forums. *shrugs* I mean I really don't know. Perhaps there are many better choices to fix the issue. But right now seems like a good time to start testing different methods and see what works and what doesn't.

Quote from: Raider Greymoon on November 27, 2012, 12:30:33 am

I think it would nice if along with the overview, if their were bit of lore scattered about. scraps of paper with history on them, a library with tons of reading for Lore fanatics. a statue commemorated to something that tells a story with it's depiction. Basic immersion.

Actually I thought about implementing that with the new improvements to be done to the sim. I thought maybe putting a little scroll on the wall like we have our weather broadcast system, where people can click and get basic information about the area they are in.

But at same time, why don't you approach someone and ask? I would prefer if people approached eachother, IC preferably, and ask, "Hey, what are these ruins here?"

What do you folks think? Faceless little notes with info, or emphasize the "talk with people!" attitude?

I suppose you're right, but the issue I had when I showed up is their was nobody their to talk to. and I'm not saying give the full history, just maybe a little description "Here lies the destroyed city of _____ where the war of ____ occured." and then you walk in their and there is a memorial with a list of names of peoples characters who died. but you know to get the full history you're gona haft to talk to someone or go to a library. And I say both cause chances are at least currently it may be a long time before you run into someone that actually knows and is willing to talk about it, and by then your curiosity is low. *shrugs*

Part 3

Okay so pretty much this was all about timeline stuff. so I'm just gona put down my own opinion

Advancing the timeline to an extreme level is a bad idea unless you plan to do a hard reset on the entire sim and wanna do up all the lore. anything more then a year or three is bad news bears.

but well it sounds like you wanna do something sim to shake things up a bit....*ponders*............... alright this one works for just about anything you wanna do. multidimensional cataclysm. bam multiple dimensions are crashed into each other, the world a mix and match of different things, new and strange technologies appear... wait scratch that... okay ummm *think think think* .......... *flails and flops*.............................some kind of world shattering even happens... I'm thinking.... 2 gods battle it out. in the wake of their destruction the world lays shattered, familiar place gone forever, the next few year the people slowly rebuild. (I think someone said something about using sky boxes?) Dimensional pockets are opened all over the world that lead to strange and sometimes dangerous places. but in them the people find their salvation. Strange new technologies  a derived from the adventuring this places. using these new technologies the people are able to rebuild their world. some however saw only the raw power that these technologies bring and instead use them craft weapons. The people are to late to stop this from happening, however many of them choose to take up arms and fight back. their old world may be gone, but their spirits rage as they see young new world already leaning towards destruction.

with this you have interesting option. you can destroy the world. and at the same time give people the ability to shape the new one. have them be part of the rebirth of the sim. make them feel like they are important and mean something.  cause they do. ((course this could end up badly XD )) but hey you got all these dimensional pockets now, maybe a group players set up shop in one them and build a base? I dunno *shrugs*

I for one would like to a whole area be one big city, and then another be the forest, I feel like the current city is just to small.

[17:27]  Wolf601 Resident: I like the idea of allowing each faction to have their own style. It helps solidify the faction as a unique entity of it's own. From a purely RP standpoint, it's a great thing. In terms of prim size and all that - in short I'm absolutely ignorant about that but if it meant lower prims and lower prims meant less lag or something, even better.

I like this

and I'm runnig out of steam didn't get much sleep and rest looks so boring to read X_X

ummm final thoughts... maybe advertise this forum more? especially this topic cause it's so important to the sims future. encourage people to come here and say their thoughts. I really hope you guys can do something great with your sim. uhhh I offended or upset anyone sorry. remember I don't actually know to much about Lismore so you know don't take anything I say as stone cold facts. I wrote all this late on only 2 or 3 hours of sleep so maybe forgive me if I turn out to be a big idiot... stay classy sandiago?

So part 2 Town Hall meeting stuff.

I don't agree with the "Basically, put everyone in one place and tell them RP or DIE!, like Bam put it." I believe have big reason for people to RP is great idea, but if choice is like that well then you're it seems to me you'd be rail roading people into situations which I don't feel Lismore is all about. I think having something, or a reason for people to band together is great idea however. But choice needs to be a huge factor, I should be able to choose whether I band together with those people, or band together with another group against them, or stay out of it. But there should defiantly be come conflict going on in Lismore, I think it would cool has hell to be in town and see propaganda trying to get me to join one side or the other.

Onto the nothing to do complaint.

I believe Ani said that runs a lot of events waits 10 - 20 minutes and then no one shows up. This is true from what I've seen. However I can make many arguments and feel free comment back. For one these events, at least for me, seem to just pop up out of the blue. Maybe I'd like to join in this event, but RP can last quite awhile and I'm sure their are a number of people that would like to join but just weren't ready. another issue I bump into is me just not being online at that time and never seeing any event message. consistency is also an issue, sometimes there are a few events in a short time then none for a long time. One group I used to be a part of used to have a school for new people and like at least once a week they would hold a school session. I thought that was cool as hell. All the new people get to meet up,  they to get to spend time with veterans of the sim and see how they operate. they get to RP with people and learn new things. it's like whole little RP area all on its own. Now maybe that exact idea wont work for you guys, maybe you could turn it into something cool to get new people to join up and still have RP fun with the people that have been around. you also connect with newer people on a deeper level and get a better understanding of what the people coming in want, and what they are like. ummm I kinda went off there on something didn't I? XD moving along

[13:31]  Ashtyn Ninetails: People don't take the initiative. ...why? Are they too shy? Don't know who to contact? Don't care?

All of the the above and more. I think this is a great thing to think about when something goes wrong. Lets say I tried to hold an event and no one showed, or everything went wrong or just you know it just didn't feel right. Well instead of just throwing my arms up and moving on and blaming things. what I would try to do instead is figure out what went wrong and why. Ask myself the same things Ashtyn brought up. Figure out a possible solution, didn't work? try again tell you get it right.

[13:32]  Ashtyn Ninetails: Right again, Wolf! People are too used to things like WoW, where they go in to be entertained, without having to do anything but buttonmash for a while.

this is also true. Reeducation is what is required. But I don't think Lismore actually deals with this type of person much, I would think your notecards would weed out most of the people. I don't know just tossin out thought.

[13:36]  Xela Soulstar: what about 'Plot Items' we could skatter about the sim when an plot is 'in progress'
[13:36]  Zerahcero Resident: Reward items rather then gold would make events more favorable as well.

I think these are great Ideas. I'll give it my own spin though and completely change the game. Everybody starts out weak, no more notecards where people start out powerful. Yes they can have all the powers they would ever want eventually. but don't just let them have it. what reason do I have to do something if I have everything I want day 1? my god think about how many more people would participate in events if they could acquire and item to just make them a bit stronger? Basic MMORPG feed them a little bit and give them a reason to come back for me. You see when thing are handled in this way people will build greater bonds, "I put in a lot of work going to to events building myself up" Or in other words my RP character has a lot of effort put into him I care about him more, I care more about the bounds I mad with people well making him strong ect... and when that character dies... Oh man all the people raised up along side him his friends. Even if it's not RL their is real emotion their, who know what his friends may do. makes a guild to take down the fiends that killed their friend? Course none of that's set in stone, hell if somebody want to start out tough they still can, I mean it's your guys SIM if someone has great idea let them run with it. starting out weak isn't for everyone after all. I love it though if that isn't obvious.

[13:36]  Xela Soulstar: For example, say there is a beast out in the forest somewhere. There could be little signs of such placed around, and if clicked, could give the clicker a notecard giving more info. So they can start talking about it ICly

love it. town bounty board? yes please!

[13:41]  Zerahcero Resident: Could give some of the people actual rewards other then gold which everyone seems to have an infinite amount of already. Like maybe a special item to be added to their card for future use?

if this is true it sounds like you guys need to fix this gold issue badly. gold value crash? yes please, gold is now worth next to nothing recession in effect.

[13:54]  Novaku Sirnah: I do agree with Tenaar on her comment, another thing that is a main flaw in these complaints is lack of interest, which is well obviously shown right now. About 40+ people in the Lismore group are online right now, only 10 are here at the meeting and of that 10 the majority is staff.

This seems like a pretty important meeting... I only found out it was going on half way through it. seems to be and issue with your events as well. I strongly urge you guys to figure out the issues with why people arn't showing up. from personnel experience, well I just never hear about it. They are like flash floods, they appear and then they are gone. I'm sure if you knock heads enough you can figure out a better way. perhaps train people to check in regularly on some kind of town board. *shrugs*

[13:59]  Ani Aunerfal: Nothing that hasn't really been said already, but as a bottom line - we're always ready and willing to help. But understand that from our end, all we see is people not doing things we set up. There's no way for us to know what it is we're doing that you don't like or would like to see differently, if you don't tell us. That's why we try hard to encourage people to approach us if there's something they would like done - there's no better way for us to make an event you guys will like, than for you to come forward and tell us exactly what it is that you need. That's not a presumptious or rude thing to do, that's a wonderful idea. People just need to start doing it now if we're going to get any further with that point.

from my end I never see anything being set up, and don't see much advertisement. I use firestorm, and thanks to LL shitty design when I get a group message I don't notice. but hey even if that was better, I may still miss it. I mean group notice is great, but I don't see any Group chat going on inviting people to join the event, As far as in know there seems to be a great lack of advertisement. and maybe I'm wrong. and there is ton... but I'm not seeing it, and judging by the lack of people showing up they may not be seeing it ether. I don't know any of this for sure. I suppose the best example I can make is the whole town hall meeting. I mean even if I did happen see Ashtyn's message I don't think I would have shown up. There was no drive or passion there. it felt like it was just, "hey guys were having a meeting  please come." Something important like this you gota knock it into numbskull heads like mine. "Hey guys big big meeting going, major sim changes, staff is expected to be here. we urge all our lismore players to come as well and voice their opinions cause they mater." bring it up in land chat every day send out a group notice the first send out two notices on the day of the even, one early warning and 1 right before it starts. wait another 10 - 15 mins urge people in group chat the whole time. really sink home this is important.

[14:10]  Xela Soulstar: Ok, I'm half expecting to by lynched for this... but I disagree with the view 'Its not the staff's fault, its the players'. I do agree, players should put in more efforts.. I mean, I used to keep recruiting people into Phoenix and the thieves guild, only to never see them on sim again after that day.. But at the same time, I think its part of the job to waft plots under the noses of the players to get them to bite. I get mixed views from people, some who view that there is nothing to do at Lismore due to the main visible plots being 'high powered' and kinda off limits to the casual player. And others who seem to view the sim as only having idle conversation or sex to rp."

this right here.

[14:13]  Darius Naglo: I'lll admit i'm guilty to of the "Nothing to do act" but since coming back recently i've been looking more; not at the dots but at those actually on sim and who i haven't interacted with. Though i will agree it's the players fault it is also partially the staffs, Xela has another point to emphasize and that's the "Casual players are too weak" I feel this way when an event comes up and I can't even scratch my opponent, for example my catboy soldier vs the firey demon. Played by nova awhile ago. I managed to actually enrage him worse though all it really succeeded in doing was ruining a katana. I admit yes a cuntboi cat isn't going to be strong to start off, but shouldn't the beast of been dripping magma from said impalement spot? Just a note of "High power vs low power"

interesting view point.... I think a certain level of RP needs to be enforced. there should be low tier event that tougher character can't do. I mean why would they? it's below them in the first place. instead invite the powerful character to the event as an overseer of sorts. or have him inject a minor side plot in the event. higher level guys still get to enjoy and be part of the low tier event and the low level guys still get to have have their fun and grow as well. again just tossin out ideas.

I'm gona stop this here and start up on a part 3. and as always feel to comment, argue, add, ect....