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Lismore => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ashtyn on August 20, 2012, 01:39:57 pm
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Heya folks - we (the staff) wanted to drop a brief note on the forum to explain a recent action taken with one of our players. Normally this kind of issue isn't given much highlight, but in this case we feel it's both safe to share, as there aren't really any major privacy concerns, and we think it illustrates our expectations about fair play and good conduct.
It recently came to our attention that Levi has been playing a very complex character with some potent abilities, and has been doing so without an approved card while getting involved in multiple relevant plots. This isn't fair to our players that have put in the work to write an approvable card, and Levi was asked to write a card for her character.
We've explained why this is a problem and have spent a number of hours working with Levi to try and resolve the issue, but after 20 days no attempt at a card has been received. As a result, we are banning the 'Doc' Levi character permanently, and issuing a temporary ban to the player, after which she is welcome to apply for a new character if she still wishes to play at Lismore.
We don't enjoy handing out bans, but we do expect everyone to play nice. It is our job as staff and referees for the sim and the RP to maintain fairness of play across all players and PCs. We make relatively few direct demands of the players, but when they are asked, we have to ask folks to put in an effort to cooperate if they wish to play here.
If anyone has any questions about this, we can't promise to answer as some matters of staff conduct are private, but feel free to send a note we will do what we can.
Levi's character is to be considered simply to have gone missing. We apologize if this causes disruption to anyone's ongoing plans.
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Levi's character is to be considered simply to have gone missing. We apologize if this causes disruption to anyone's ongoing plans.
And by disruption, you mean basically screwing up a huge amount of things in relation to Phoenix and other things.
I don't exactly know how deep of conversations have been going on, but I know that the player has been having a lot of RL issues that have been cropping up. Is a flat out ban, as opposed to a suspension of ability to play said character until a card was submitted the right way to go?
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Levi's character is to be considered simply to have gone missing. We apologize if this causes disruption to anyone's ongoing plans.
And by disruption, you mean basically screwing up a huge amount of things in relation to Phoenix and other things.
I don't exactly know how deep of conversations have been going on, but I know that the player has been having a lot of RL issues that have been cropping up. Is a flat out ban, as opposed to a suspension of ability to play said character until a card was submitted the right way to go?
I feel that I have to chime in here. An uncarded character is basically not allowed to have much, if any impact, with anything. Faction-related matters or non.
From what I understand, Levi's been very uncooperative about the notecard (& even reluctant to write one, if she hasn't procured a card after 20 days' warning), and before her being uncarded came to light, Levi had ICly already hugely influenced the direction of several of my characters, as well as gotten in the way plotlines I was doing many months ago. She's used abilities ICly which completely shifted the direction I was going with some characters (Oba-Musa, for one), and then I later learned that none of that was approved.
You've to understand how frustrating that is (note: I'm a player, just like you) and how much being uncarded in itself is disruptive to RP.
I respect Levi for her ability to roleplay, I really do. I thoroughly enjoyed playing with her, but after everything that's come to light recently, I think Levi has been unfair and tactless by not submitting a card for approval (though she's had ample time to do so), and I agree that allowing that character to continue to be in Lismore would be an insult to all approved characters in the sim.
So yes, it's definitely the right way to go. And I believe the staff is being very nice about this.
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I realize the issue regarding the fact the character hasn't been carded. I just am looking at this from the players side and realizing that this is going to effectively neuter Phoenix, already hurting for activity, into barely having any players left. You can't just shrug off a character that has been in plots and act like nothing is awry when they "disappear." There are going to be a good deal of people that are no longer going to have any reason to RP in Phoenix, are going to leave because Levi was the link that kept them there.
My real concern here is whether or not the fallout of this was thought out. You said right there that it was well known how involved this character was. It seemed to be thought out well what your plan was to deal with the initial problem of the character, but very little was paid in attention to the effects said action would have.
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I realize the issue regarding the fact the character hasn't been carded. I just am looking at this from the players side and realizing that this is going to effectively neuter Phoenix, already hurting for activity, into barely having any players left. You can't just shrug off a character that has been in plots and act like nothing is awry when they "disappear." There are going to be a good deal of people that are no longer going to have any reason to RP in Phoenix, are going to leave because Levi was the link that kept them there.
My real concern here is whether or not the fallout of this was thought out. You said right there that it was well known how involved this character was. It seemed to be thought out well what your plan was to deal with the initial problem of the character, but very little was paid in attention to the effects said action would have.
What consequences the action has to RP should be irrelevant; Levi broke the rules. Now she suffers the reprisal. The collateral damage, while unfortunate, will only help reinforce the rules. I'm sorry if that seems heartless, but just because a character or player is "important", doesn't mean they should be treated differently than anyone else. Levi may have been very involved, and this will disrupt the plots she's been involved with. However, these disruptions will sort themselves out & when they do, the carded characters resume life as normal, starting their own plots again, etc.
At the end of the day, carded > uncarded.
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To sum up. This sim cares about its rules more than the RP itself. I guess I understand that now.
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We are well aware of Levi's activity within Phoenix, but ultimately the rules stands above the RP. Levi was not given any form of repercussion for having played uncarded for so long and given a chance to fill in a card, twenty days later no card was still given despite the deadline.
Now, you must know that Levi had already two strikes against her, of which I will not reveal here as such is between the Staff and Levi, this is basically the third strike and we have taken action with a ban.
While we understand what this can mean for the RP and all, we cannot ignore the standing facts that Levi broke the rules and we have thusly acted upon them.
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karl if you want to badmouth us take it somewhere else. we have more important things to concider than someone being unhappy about someone else who blatantly refused to follow our rules getting banned.
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To sum up. This sim cares about its rules more than the RP itself. I guess I understand that now.
You should be grateful; without the rules, this sim would be a horrible place to be. But the rules mean nothing if they're not enforced. Sim staff is just like the police; they need to enforce the rules and create real consequences for people who break them, even if those consequences will make other people unhappy about them.
The collateral damage this has caused isn't the staff's fault, but Levi's for breaking the rules.
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I honestly, as much as the whole things annoys me, am not as pissed off at the fact she got banned for what she did.
I am pissed off because very little was thought out for the after effects of what this is going to cause, beyond "Oh, it will sort itself out." Really? You, as a sim staff are perfectly okay with going through and enacting something like this, and not worrying that this could kill off a already hurting factions RP activity, and potentially drive players away, because some people, the only reason they do RP is for a select few, and when they are gone, so are they. I find that disgusting and irresponsible as a ideal, and I have /never/ run into a RP that seems to not care about the fact that something they do would have that type of effect. Every time, it has been thought out, worked on, tweaked, adjusted, in instances even myself assisting in doing so to minimize the effect something like this would have. All this seems to me is a tactic of lighting the problem on fire, and going 'oopsie' as everything unrelated catches fire.
Edit: Caex, I am not going to just shut up, make a pretty face and go about my business if I feel something is wrong. If no one is every vocal over a issue they have, complacency and bad decisions start to occur because no one has a compass to know what is wrong.
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We can NOT please everyone, it is impossible, we have to ensure the rules, it is what we do. It is our job.
I find it personally insulting that you blame us for ruining the RP over the fact of banning someone who has been given plenty of time to send in her card in order to get herself approved.
But besides that, we are well aware of what this can mean to Phoenix and what it may result into, but you cannot expect us to turn a blind eye to someone who obviously has been breaking the rules for the sake of keeping the RP flowing.
Like Tenaar reffered to with the police. You don't expect them to not arrest a criminal for the fact it ruins something else. The rules are not there for nothing after all.
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I honestly, as much as the whole things annoys me, am not as pissed off at the fact she got banned for what she did.
I am pissed off because very little was thought out for the after effects of what this is going to cause, beyond "Oh, it will sort itself out." Really? You, as a sim staff are perfectly okay with going through and enacting something like this, and not worrying that this could kill off a already hurting factions RP activity, and potentially drive players away, because some people, the only reason they do RP is for a select few, and when they are gone, so are they. I find that disgusting and irresponsible as a ideal, and I have /never/ run into a RP that seems to not care about the fact that something they do would have that type of effect. Every time, it has been thought out, worked on, tweaked, adjusted, in instances even myself assisting in doing so to minimize the effect something like this would have. All this seems to me is a tactic of lighting the problem on fire, and going 'oopsie' as everything unrelated catches fire.
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. a hurting faction? ohh boo freakedy hoo. have you seen the temple active population lately? didn't think so. oh wait what about the city population! have they come out of hiding? ... nope still sparce... hmm lets check on the zenko... ah casualty counts high this time of year eh? we concidered it karl and have taken measures to ensure it doesnt destablize. it's called lismore lands karl, not pheonix lands. our responcibility is to the entire sim as a whole. factions fall and get rebuilt. pheonix has already fallen twice before and it's been rebuilt twice before. having it fall again and then be rebuilt as a better faction is not so disheartning that it stops us in our tracks.
but if you're so incluned to see the doom of pheonix simply because we banned the character levi, who by all rights we should have VOIDED all rp associated with her per our policies, i can arange that. i can technicaly construct an event that will be the total destruction of the pheonix castle and turn the caves into a canyon. emagine, wonderfull open air above your heads, castles built into the walls themselves, it will be glorious. oh but that would require change, such a terrable thing. if you cant adapt to a small little change like this, a minisqule neigh meaningless change such as this, you have a lot to learn about being human.
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I am just going to ignore Caex trying to be a dick to me because I have a problem with something.
Now I having a massive problem with Ash. Why?
You banned a character and player, and didn't even discuss the fact that you did that. I, a player, not a GM, or Admin, or anyone of a position of power just broke the news to Levi that this was decided. What the hell?
[14:45] Doctor Levidensis (levidensis.collas): what?
[14:45] Nakita Forte (karlhockey.forte): What happened to the doctor as a character
[14:46] Doctor Levidensis (levidensis.collas): i'm a little confused
[14:46] Nakita Forte (karlhockey.forte): . . .
[14:46] Nakita Forte (karlhockey.forte): did they not IM you
[14:46] Doctor Levidensis (levidensis.collas): nope
[14:46] Nakita Forte (karlhockey.forte): http://sculptyworks.com/lismore/index.php?topic=660.0
[14:48] Doctor Levidensis (levidensis.collas): i told him that xela was going to help me, and i hadn't gotten a hold of her, oh well. looks like i'm leaving lismore permanently. drekihelm is pretty nice anyways
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Caex...do try to be civil please.
And Karl, Levi was not online at the moment that the ban was decided upon, furthermore Ash had to go due to RL issues.
Fact however remains, that Levi had been given several warnings and a deadline even, she failed to produce a card to us despite everything, the verdict was made.
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I honestly, as much as the whole things annoys me, am not as pissed off at the fact she got banned for what she did.
I am pissed off because very little was thought out for the after effects of what this is going to cause, beyond "Oh, it will sort itself out." Really? You, as a sim staff are perfectly okay with going through and enacting something like this, and not worrying that this could kill off a already hurting factions RP activity, and potentially drive players away, because some people, the only reason they do RP is for a select few, and when they are gone, so are they. I find that disgusting and irresponsible as a ideal, and I have /never/ run into a RP that seems to not care about the fact that something they do would have that type of effect. Every time, it has been thought out, worked on, tweaked, adjusted, in instances even myself assisting in doing so to minimize the effect something like this would have. All this seems to me is a tactic of lighting the problem on fire, and going 'oopsie' as everything unrelated catches fire.
Edit: Caex, I am not going to just shut up, make a pretty face and go about my business if I feel something is wrong. If no one is every vocal over a issue they have, complacency and bad decisions start to occur because no one has a compass to know what is wrong.
You should just let it go, Karl. You can tell a brick wall that it's made of wood as much as you like, but that doesn't make it into one. You're not going to change anything and it's wasted effort to try and argue this decision.
I'm sorry you feel that this is going to mess up a whole lot, but the truth is that it'll only mess things up for people who've been involved with Levi for a few weeks at most. Then it'll all settle back into its normal place.
People aren't going to leave because the rules are being enforced either, so that argument's null and void.
Fact is, the rules were broken, sanctions were made. It's the actions of the rule breaker that has created any problems this may cause in the immediate future, not the rule enforcers. I've never seen anyone stir up so much drama as you're doing right now, Karl, over rules being enforced. Rules that are very clearly visible and easily accessible in the spawn point, as well as iterated on over and over again in character and rule cards.
There is no excuse. There is no special treatment. It is just the rules!
Seriously, just let it go.
You banned a character and player, and didn't even discuss the fact that you did that. I, a player, not a GM, or Admin, or anyone of a position of power just broke the news to Levi that this was decided. What the hell?
The staff, while it's courteous to do so, has no obligation to inform players that they have been banned from the sim imo (character bans is a whole other matter). That said, Levi had no doubt known that if she couldn't procure a card within 20 days, there would be consequences. Such a warning would have been pretty clear anyway.
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This won't matter much but i thought i would give a sight from someone who is not from Pheonix ...
Okay... I am not saying that there is nothing wrong with a Uncarded Chracter. So as far as i understand, it's the players choice to RP with her and to accept or not her actions. They can easily discuss it and reach a agreement. I don't know about Levi's mistakes before this, but the 'third' strike should not get her banned just because she was using a Uncarded Character. So to put it simple:
First - ALL this time, she was using the "Uncarded Character" Tag! So EVERYONE KNEW! Whoever say it did not, it's lying or simply not paying enough attention.
Second - You KNOW it's a Uncarded Character. No one has been forced into RP with levi, no one is forced to simply bow low and accept her RP.
Third - The Doctor was 80% a social Character ... I do not agree with Ban. If it were a Combat-active character, fine. It would have been abusing her 'free powers'. But its not. And for anyone who knows levi a little bit - See me , i've only known her inside Lismore and only Rped a bit with her and it was enough to see that she's not the kind that forces you to accept her stuff.
I believe the Staff should take all things into consideration... Also - In MY opinion - Karl's complaints are understandable ... Nor she refered to anyone in specific, Caex reply was more then... Unecessary.
The staff maybe should think more about working with the player to finish her card, insted of simply 'ban'. But that's just a concerned player opinion. Why not simply put her character on hold and wait for the card? - After all Levi haven't been around Lismore for a while for that specific reason .
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To me I think Ash has been more than fair in this instance. I've been at sims where people are banned for far less. Heck I've banned people for far less. 20 days to make a card is more than enough, with or without help. And why wait for Xela? There are plenty of people in sim that would have been happy to give any help they could, even Ashtyn himself as he's a damn nice guy.
As to what happens with RP around Levi. A sad fact of a ban, but a ban that could have been prevented had Levi actually made the effort to co operate and make a card as per sim rules.
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Caex...do try to be civil please.
And Karl, Levi was not online at the moment that the ban was decided upon, furthermore Ash had to go due to RL issues.
Fact however remains, that Levi had been given several warnings and a deadline even, she failed to produce a card to us despite everything, the verdict was made.
A offline IM wasn't possible? Ash, and you all as a sim staff had enough time to decide the character would be banned, and didn't have enough time to type out "We are sorry, but you have run out of time regarding your character card. The character is now barred from the sim. Please contact us for questions."
That took me all of 30 seconds to write.
Over this past month, I barely have seen this character RP, none of the 'abilities' used, and a obvious notation there with the conversation I had with Levi that she was in the process of working with Xela to try and put one together, and told you that it was being worked on. That even more fuels the fact that this wasn't in my mind the best of decisions, and only one to get rid of the problem so it wouldn't have to be dealt with anymore.
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i am being civil nov. i just dont care that he doesnt like what i'm saying. i'd much rather be blunt and honest about something than be "civil" and lie about it.
also, we tried to work with her on the card. she refused. she got angry when we pushed for it and was generaly blocking us at every turn. enough is enough.
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This won't matter much but i thought i would give a sight from someone who is not from Pheonix ...
Okay... I am not saying that there is nothing wrong with a Uncarded Chracter. So as far as i understand, it's the players choice to RP with her and to accept or not her actions. They can easily discuss it and reach a agreement. I don't know about Levi's mistakes before this, but the 'third' strike should not get her banned just because she was using a Uncarded Character. So to put it simple:
First - ALL this time, she was using the "Uncarded Character" Tag! So EVERYONE KNEW! Whoever say it did not, it's lying or simply not paying enough attention.
Second - You KNOW it's a Uncarded Character. No one has been forced into RP with levi, no one is forced to simply bow low and accept her RP.
Third - The Doctor was 80% a social Character ... I do not agree with Ban. If it were a Combat-active character, fine. It would have been abusing her 'free powers'. But its not. And for anyone who knows levi a little bit - See me , i've only known her inside Lismore and only Rped a bit with her and it was enough to see that she's not the kind that forces you to accept her stuff.
I believe the Staff should take all things into consideration... Also - In MY opinion - Karl's complaints are understandable ... Nor she refered to anyone in specific, Caex reply was more then... Unecessary.
The staff maybe should think more about working with the player to finish her card, insted of simply 'ban'. But that's just a concerned player opinion.
Not a tag I saw all the time Dagu
The non carded ness has only recently come to light, Staff cant know off hand everyones cards
Cards do not just relate to combat
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First - ALL this time, she was using the "Uncarded Character" Tag! So EVERYONE KNEW! Whoever say it did not, it's lying or simply not paying enough attention.
Second - You KNOW it's a Uncarded Character. No one has been forced into RP with levi, no one is forced to simply bow low and accept her RP.
1: The uncarded character tag was added after Levi being uncarded first came to light. Before then, there had only been Lismore Traveler & Visitor (and that rank which let you fly.)
2: Nobody knew she was uncarded until it was discovered & the tag was added. Up until then, she'd deliberately lied to us & misled us into thinking that she was approved (going so far as to say that showing her char card would reveal too much about her char when prompted to show it.)
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I can only speak for myself - I'm sorry on my first statment about anyone who did not noticed it, i did not know it was new. But still she used it all the time i was there...
And even Cards do not relate to only combat. I don't see how such a fuss can come up from a situation that can be easily discussed. I still think Ban is too much... Also no need for making this a public thing.
Simply block the character - wait for her card. Don't accuse anyone of lying and etc. It's your words vs her's/His w/e.
And you can't deny that the people so dedicated to enforcing this is probably the ones who 'lost' something to the fact she's uncarded. At least i have never seen her force anything on anyone... Even while we talked about outcomes of possible events we would discuss and reach a agreement.
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First - ALL this time, she was using the "Uncarded Character" Tag! So EVERYONE KNEW! Whoever say it did not, it's lying or simply not paying enough attention.
I'll stop you right there. The Uncarded Character tag was specifically made right AFTER Ashtyn had learned of Levi having RP'd an uncarded charder who has used unapproved abilities numerous times that has even influenced several plots. Levi knew full well that she was not approved yet continued to play her character as such under the assumption of everyone thinking she was approved until it was found out early this month that she was not approved.
Also, Karl, Ash had to leave due to RL issues, you cannot expect him to suddenly search up Levi's account and IM her if he has to go. I have not done so myself because I am officially on a break, but I feel obliged to speak up in this matter because it is my job, break or not. Now I will be asking people to calm down and settle for now, because this topic is only turning into a bitchfest and I will not be heaving that. I will lock this topic if I have to and that is my final warning.
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Im going to have to chime in on this as well as this is getting very heated up. First of all, If Levi had contacted me for instance, I would have helped her out no problem. The admins are here to do their jobs regardless of who breaks the rules in general. If I had broken the rules, I dont care that im the leader of the Zenko, I expect the admins to do their jobs and give me the appropriate punishment. The rules are the rules and the admins cant just not sanction a player just because of their position.
Quite frankly if you dont think Xela can pull phoenix up from the ashes so to speak without Levi, then phoenix would crumble anyway and I dont think you know phoenix too well. Levi has misled many into thinking that she was already carded and has been given plenty of opportunity to do so.....
And Karl, speaking about other players leaving because of this wont change the decision...
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I can only speak for myself - I'm sorry on my first statment about anyone who did not noticed it, i did not know it was new. But still she used it all the time i was there...
And even Cards do not relate to only combat. I don't see how such a fuss can come up from a situation that can be easily discussed. I still think Ban is too much... Also no need for making this a public thing.
Simply block the character - wait for her card. Don't accuse anyone of lying and etc. It's your words vs her's/His w/e.
And you can't deny that the people so dedicated to enforcing this is probably the ones who 'lost' something to the fact she's uncarded. At least i have never seen her force anything on anyone... Even while we talked about outcomes of possible events we would discuss and reach a agreement.
I understand what you say Dagu, but you seem to forget she was given 20 days to submit some sort of card. Even an incomplete one. Or one that might not be approved. She didn't submit anything. 20 days is more than long enough. I can write a good card in an hour, a really basic card in ten minuites and a complex card in a day or so.
Levi was given more than enough of a chance to comply with sim rules she did not do so. And this is the key to this
The main point here is that it's terribly unfair to allow an uncarded character in the sim, and it's unfair to the rest of us who try hard to make sure we have approved skills and don't use anything else....some of my characters do not have that they can read on on their card as I forgot it...they now can not read because of that. Not how i intended it but I actually make an effort to stay within the sim rules
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Hey i know... I know...
I'm not defending her actions, i'm defending her from the 'Liar' call outs. I never got the impression that most players do... "She made us believe " No offence but that is bs. Everyone has a mind of their own, just because i don't say something does not mean i'm lying. Unless you asked before " You are carded? " And she answered " No. " No one has the right to throw accusations here...
She wronged in taking so long to submit a card. All i'm saying is: Is ban really necessary? The player have been away from the SIM for several days now SPECIFICALLY to avoid RP as long as her Character was Uncarded. She says she was waiting for Xela - SO what? She feels more comfortable that way. No one should be forced to make something just for doing it... If she rather stay out of the sim until it's done , let her. Just don't make a public topic about it so 'theses' things can happen ... In my opinion, shut down this topic and delete it...
The staff should handle this with the PLAYER. Not with the public... Specially if some of the staff are players too. Ashtyn is very busy and has to handle alot of things, so the staff should help him. A example: My last update was voided because of 1 single typo . But no one told me anything, it took me 14 days later to talk to Ashtyn to find out...So we fixed it.
Ashtyn is not to blame here... In anyway. So please take my advice, kill this topic... Think about the Ban - Talk to the player. Reach a agreement. NOR the sim or the Player have anything to gain from all this.
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The only thing I'll say in reply Dagu is despite the twenty days she was uncarded for months before that. And yes she has been asked if she has a card and implied she has one, or downright said she has one. So yes this is a factor in this case.
I am sure the admins/staff/GMs will look at your advice and think on it. They aren't unreasonable. I've been on the receiving end of them for some of my behaviours in the past as well.
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Is ban really necessary?
Yes. Then next time she'll know to submit a card and get her character approved. I don't want to be redundant and iterate any further on my reasons for believing this. You can go read my other posts for my reasoning.
And I call Levi a liar with good reason; I have IM logs from both myself and a couple of people where she outright said that she didn't want to show us the character card.
She only started admitting she had no approval after she'd been caught.
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Sorry - I wouldn't show my character card for no good reason either. And i'm carded. But yes. Let's just drop all this and hope the Staff takes my advice and kill this topic.
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Heya folks - we (the staff) wanted to drop a brief note on the forum to explain a recent action taken with one of our players. Normally this kind of issue isn't given much highlight, but in this case we feel it's both safe to share, as there aren't really any major privacy concerns, and we think it illustrates our expectations about fair play and good conduct.
I would believe this alone explains exactly why we have made this topic, however that was not an invitation for people to come in here and argue about our actions towards a player who was banned under justified reason. Nor was it an invitation to have this topic turn out in a bitchfest.
Now I will only say this once, since I am locking the topic right after this post, I'll be the big bad mean admin since I am on a break anyways.
We posted this because Levi was an active member in Phoenix, we felt obliged to inform the public about the reasons of our actions due to previous incidents where we were forced to ban someone and ended up being looked at as bad guys. Now I am not saying Levi would stir the rumor mill but it was a risk we could not allow, for we allowed it once before and we ended up being forced to explain publicly our reasons why we had banned said person.
I may well be speaking out of line here but, drama about this was bound to happen, if not here then somewhere else, we decided that this was the right way to follow and we accept the consequences for it, this does not however take away the fact that we have taken these actions to enforce the rules and have it serve as a warning for others.
In regard of Levi being a liar, yes you're lying if you say you don't want to show your card because it would reveal too much, Levi knew very well that she was wrong and when it was exposed we gave her the chance to correct it and write up a character card to get approved. She was giving a total of 20 days to do so, help or no help that was more then enough time to write up a card. She failed to send in a card before the deadline and considering her earlier two strikes, we have decided to take action and ban her.
Do not put the blame into our shoes when we have given her a chance and time to fix an issue that was her own fault, we could well have banned her right there and then but we did not, she was given a chance and she screwed it, we banned her. End of story.
This topic is locked.
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Oh a locked topic! I knew some people would get butthurt about this but I hoped they would be a little less stupid about it. :P
So besides all the stuff already discussed, seems there's A LOT of misinformation going on around here. Let's clarify some things....
First and foremost, it should not take the threat of a ban to get someone to comply with sim rules. When things get to that point, to me it means the problem has already gone too far.
Second, people accuse us of ruining things because we removed someone who was supposedly popular, but if we did not take action against players who are breaking the rules, no matter how popular they are, wouldn't we be just like every other sim I hear people complain about out there, where the popular folks get away with everything they want because they are popular or buddy-buddy with someone in the staff or something like that? Think about that for a moment.
Third, whoever accuses us of not thinking this through obviously knows nothing about the way we work. Go back to the second point above, and come back here when you've grasped that concept. Done? If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Levi, she's the one who screwed you all up.
If your only reason to play at the Phoenix faction was Levi's presence there, that potentially greatly limits your status as an asset for the sim or the RP. Cliques can be a bit of a problem, you know.
If you can not see a light at the end of the tunnel with Levi gone, take a moment to think up the possibilities that can arise from the second-in-command at Phoenix having disappeared.
And last, Levi is on a temp ban. What? You expect to lie to people and break the rules and nothing happens? Welcome to Lismore! We have banned staff members before for screwing up! :P Levi was given a lot of lenience; she was approached peacefully about her card and she made it very clear she abhorred the idea of writing a card for her character. Go back to point #1: It should not take the threat of a ban to get someone to comply with sim rules.
After her temp ban expires, Levi is welcome to make a new character if she wishes to play in Lismore.
Now let's get back to RPing! If Levi's disappearance affects you, coordinate with Xela and the others at Phoenix what you'd like to do from there on.